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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:06:00 -
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How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:10:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:La Nariz wrote:How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec. because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet. i doubt highsec rats are much of an isk faucet as their bounties suck.
Oh if that's the case we're already in highsec on our alts running l4s and doing incursions. So that means if they want to nerf nullsec income the ESS needs to be exclusively a highsec thing. It works perfectly that way. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:07:00 -
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So yeah highsec guys how would you like a 5% increase in your income? It sounds great right? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:La Nariz wrote:So yeah highsec guys how would you like a 5% increase in your income? It sounds great right? I believe I shall propose that the ESS be applied to CONCORD payouts for Incursions. It's the same lore principle, after all. And that'd be some emergent conduct, err, content.
That is far too modest the good people of highsec are entitled to a 5% buff in income these should be placed in every highsec system. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:41:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:La Nariz wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:La Nariz wrote:How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec. because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet. i doubt highsec rats are much of an isk faucet as their bounties suck. Oh if that's the case we're already in highsec on our alts running l4s and doing incursions. So that means if they want to nerf nullsec income the ESS needs to be exclusively a highsec thing. It works perfectly that way. incursions and l4's dont generate a ton of isk. they generate a ton of loyalty points. which can be converted into an income, but they aren't pure isk faucets - or even close. they mostly generate wealth that is sold on the market. ratting is basically a pure isk faucet. note i'm not defending the ESS. i think it's a terrible idea - just pointing out some facts.
That doesn't matter, we are still in highsec doing those things so that means if they want to nerf our income then highsec is where these things need to be not nullsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 17:47:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm a little torn about people who gleefully visit involuntary and unwanted results on other players are suddenly hurt over something they don't like being foisted on them.
I don't recall this much screaming over the NPC corp taxes, which are higher.
I don' know much about the ESS but I'm sure you can destroy them with Rapid Light Missile Launchers... oh wait
You could always talk to your beloved extended family at length about your gun collection.
The resistance is because its a bad idea without any sort of cogent reasoning behind it. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:31:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: ~words~
Its because its bad, they can do what they intend by allowing sov null to have their own LP stores. As a highsec person I don't expect you to be able to understand the nuances of these things. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:10:00 -
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So this ESS has only stirred conflict between the player base and CCP. I don't think that's the kind of conflict driver that we were looking fore. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:18:00 -
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Mister Simms wrote:ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much....
Perhaps because you are a highsec dweller and it does not affect you? Maybe if it were restricted to highsec only you'd have a different opinion. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:31:00 -
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psycho freak wrote:Allways bet on stupid and gread of the carebare
Quality highsec posting. Highsec people should be excluded from this discussion unless the ESS is going to involve highsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:47:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:La Nariz wrote:psycho freak wrote:Allways bet on stupid and gread of the carebare Quality highsec posting. Highsec people should be excluded from this discussion unless the ESS is going to involve highsec. La Nariz wrote:This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. That word that is bolded should be loving ly. Also, if you desire to have highsec people excluded from discussions, don't start threads in General Discussion.
I love this sig it catches so many people :smug:. I didn't start the thread but I would support a feature that let me prevent groups of people from posting in threads when you make them, npc alt: can't post in this thread, lives in highsec: can't post in this thread, etc. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:54:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:La Nariz wrote:I love this sig it catches so many people :smug:. I didn't start the thread but I would support a feature that let me prevent groups of people from posting in threads when you make them, npc alt: can't post in this thread, lives in highsec: can't post in this thread, etc. Features and Ideas sir.
You're the one that brought it up, you first. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:08:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:La Nariz wrote:You're the one that brought it up, you first. Post #422 La Nariz wrote:psycho freak wrote:Allways bet on stupid and gread of the carebare Quality highsec posting. Highsec people should be excluded from this discussion unless the ESS is going to involve highsec. I am a high sec carebear. I am still posting in this thread. My input, while not valued by you, is not without value. Kimmi Chan wrote:Much of what the "uninformed" player sees and hears likely represents the worst of Null. As a new player 6 years ago I remember stories of chicanery and asshattery. On this forum, I see posts about this thing in Null sucks, that thing in Null sucks. I see posts from people who, rather than explain their position in any kind of diplomatic or reasonable way, tend to berate and belittle us "lesser mortals". It is really, REALLY hard to be sympathetic to someone that acts the way some of these people do. I submit you sir, as exhibit A.
Oh no, someone from a population that normally will not form their opinion off of data and requires constant codling does not approve of me. What will I ever do? I got it, I'll become a CCP Dev and I'll invent something called an "ESS" for highsec. That'll show them.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1431
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:13:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I would like to point out that a significant portion of truesec being functionally worthless for use by more than one person at any given time is not self imposed. Odd because as I have demonstrated repeatedly, I operate in all areas of nullsec and make multiple billions a month. The difference between me and the whiners? I ignore truesec and don't have to worry that I've blued half of the entire null sec systems to the point I am unable to utilize systems owned by other people. Null is not a psuedo-high sec, its a place for both conflict and profit - its not our fault bluing everyone means you can't go out there and TAKE content like I do. Stop bitching when you're being scared to step on someones toes prevents you making isk... Edit: One thing I do agree with is blitzing in missions. It should be removed. All NPC's should be required to be killed, there should be no skipping most of the content and only selectively running skippable content to make lots of LP fast. The same shoudl apply to null sec though.
No you don't you assert that you winning once at loot tables is evidence of decadent nullsec living. You are a voice of ignorance that tries to loudly shout down people providing you with data. The EVE version of Margaret Thatcher. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:11:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:Arkady Romanov wrote:La Nariz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I would like to point out that a significant portion of truesec being functionally worthless for use by more than one person at any given time is not self imposed. Odd because as I have demonstrated repeatedly, I operate in all areas of nullsec and make multiple billions a month. The difference between me and the whiners? I ignore truesec and don't have to worry that I've blued half of the entire null sec systems to the point I am unable to utilize systems owned by other people. Null is not a psuedo-high sec, its a place for both conflict and profit - its not our fault bluing everyone means you can't go out there and TAKE content like I do. Stop bitching when you're being scared to step on someones toes prevents you making isk... Edit: One thing I do agree with is blitzing in missions. It should be removed. All NPC's should be required to be killed, there should be no skipping most of the content and only selectively running skippable content to make lots of LP fast. The same shoudl apply to null sec though. No you don't you assert that you winning once at loot tables is evidence of decadent nullsec living. You are a voice of ignorance that tries to loudly shout down people providing you with data. The EVE version of Margaret Thatcher. Except that Margaret Thatcher has the laudible attribute of being dead, and thus no longer able to pollute any reasonable discussion, unlike Infinity. I realize you sick fucks have no sense of decency, but that's crossing the line.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-margaret-thatcher_n_3047721.html This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1431
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:21:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:~angry words~
That's one way to gather statistical data you'd need to prove your point. I literally told you how to get data so you can argue your point. Instead of spewing garbage like you always do, you could do some actual science here and you know have data to show to those of us who form our opinions based on fact and data. Your one attempt is an anecdote, a one time story telling of what happened. Anecdotes aren't evidence and don't hold up in arguments, data however does.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:23:00 -
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Yonis Zanjoahir wrote:A bunch of angry botters itt lmao.
+1 for ESS.
Security presentation showed that most of the botting occurs in highsec and over half of all botting occurs in caldari highsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:38:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:I was referring to the reason Arkady edited his post. Playing a virtual scumbag in a virtual world is one thing, but that's a little different, don't ya think?
Margaret Thatcher was a real life scumbag. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:41:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:La Nariz wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:~angry words~ That's one way to gather statistical data you'd need to prove your point. I literally told you how to get data so you can argue your point. Instead of spewing garbage like you always do, you could do some actual science here and you know have data to show to those of us who form our opinions based on fact and data. Your one attempt is an anecdote, a one time story telling of what happened. Anecdotes aren't evidence and don't hold up in arguments, data however does. Except its not one time, I have shown evidence that is indeed repeatable to the degree I can keep 10 accounts subscribed with just this one character running sites. As I stated I have posted multiple shots of different trips to null and they all show they ended with billions in loot. Lets see your evidence of how terrible and poor you are, show us your screenies, spreadsheets and so on which you demand from me? No? Don't have any ? I thought so.
It is Anecdotal evidence which means its entirely worthless in all but very specific circumstances hence, all of those things you like to trot out are worthless. The data is pretty clearly cherry picked and we call your type of idiocy an informal fallacy. Once you provide statistical data if it shows your right, guess what those of us who are not highsec people that refuse to accept facts will change our minds based on the data.
As it is now you only have a fairy tale, you have no data. So go read my post and get data if you want to do more than flail about insignificantly.
I suspect the public education system has failed you so here's some more reasons why your one time event isn't data:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
Before you start with the pedantry, you are not a trained observer. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:54:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:La Nariz wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:I was referring to the reason Arkady edited his post. Playing a virtual scumbag in a virtual world is one thing, but that's a little different, don't ya think? Margaret Thatcher was a real life scumbag. Well that's a matter of opinion. I'm not from the UK so I wouldn't know and don't give a ****. But I'll spell it out since you goons are a bit dense. I was referring to the implication that Infinity Z would be better off dead, Thatcher was a rl person not a fictional character so I took it to mean that Arkady was implying the person behind the Infinity character would be better dead. But I suppose that sort of thing should be expected from you goons, what with the example your leader sets.
Its pretty close to fact, sociopathic people that harm the poor to benefit the already well off while trying to pass it off as something to benefit the poor fit the bill.
Whats wrong with dead space(wo)men? They just respawn in their stations and some people like to collect corpses. You're trying to drag this into RL where it does not belong.
I still would like to see a CCP breakdown of the incoming bounties versus total income by sec area, so we can see if the ESS really does belong in nullsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:07:00 -
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E6o5 wrote:Andski wrote:E6o5 wrote:La Nariz wrote:Yonis Zanjoahir wrote:A bunch of angry botters itt lmao.
+1 for ESS.
Security presentation showed that most of the botting occurs in highsec and over half of all botting occurs in caldari highsec. So you know where to go with your bots He's right, though. Hiseccers are the biggest culprits when it comes to botting. Your proof is very convincing. This thread however proofs that nullbears are the biggest crybabies at the moment. But view it from a different angle, the less money your enemy makes botting erm i mean ratting, the less money they can spent on drone carriers - you got the nerf you were crying for 
I don't have the link Tippia had before to show it but yeah its there. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:09:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:~Really angry words~
So you agree then this ESS is garbage in its current form and that if it remains as is it should be a highsec only thing? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:20:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:La Nariz wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:~Really angry words~ So you agree then this ESS is garbage in its current form and that if it remains as is it should be a highsec only thing? Wow you are dense. I've stated my position numerous times through the thread, if you haven't even bothered to read this thread, then why should your opinion be considered at all?
I've read the thread unlike some people that have spewed curse words and become incredibly upset at the thought of space(wo)men dieing. I have to post so the highsec people can understand its all about the target audience. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:34:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:La Nariz wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:La Nariz wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:~Really angry words~ So you agree then this ESS is garbage in its current form and that if it remains as is it should be a highsec only thing? Wow you are dense. I've stated my position numerous times through the thread, if you haven't even bothered to read this thread, then why should your opinion be considered at all? I've read the thread unlike some people that have spewed curse words and become incredibly upset at the thought of space(wo)men dieing. I have to post so the highsec people can understand its all about the target audience. Yes I've read the thread as well, missed the bit were peeps were getting upset about the space(wo)men dying though. Did see a fair few curse words from people getting incredibly upset at the thought of their virtual monies being taken off them.
Its right here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4120096#post4120096
It is very shameful to edit away your badposting.
The ESS was supposed to promote conflict too but its not going to because its not worth deploying. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:12:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: You need to edumudicate yourself a bit :)
Anecdotal evidence generally refers to a 'story' told regarding an event. "I was walking along a track and was abducted and anal probed by strange alien hillbillies". They provide no hard evidence, such as used anal probes or odd burn marks attributable to possible still fitted spacecraft.
Sample size is irrelevant given some data is better than no data, which is what you offer. Data representative of the average null seccers is the opposite of what we need since my stance is that your income is being deliberately curtailed by your voluntary restrictions against utilizing other peoples space due to your bluing every and all in your area out of fear.
Don't try to out science me unless you know what basic science is actually about.
That TNT guy knows his stuff, you on the other hand are highly suspect. You moved the goalposts from "nullsec income is better than highsec income" to ":goonspiracy:." There is still no breakdown of where bounties come from by sec area and as the TNT guy pointed out all you've shown is that nullsec could use a buff.
Based on your anecdote the ESS should be exclusively in highsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.18 16:43:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: So your argument is "That TNT guy knows his stuff". You follow up with a statement inferring I am dishonestly presenting something but with no specifics. You infer there is a requirement for a breakdown of bounties by sec status despite my stating that my income is sec status independent since I roam and ignore sec status entirely. Also given I am un-affiliated I am usually in higher sec status as the majority of affiliated prefer lowest sec for maximal profits precluding my operating in those systems.
You state I have shown that nullsec could use a buff despite my showing that even a soloer such as myself can make billions operating in null with minimal effort. That doesn't quite make sense to me and I think the average non-goon person is intelligent enough to see through your obfuscation of the facts.
I recently wrote a guide, which can be found on Missions and Complexes regarding making absurd amounts of isk in Null. You should probably read it before ignorantly commenting again.
Yes he knows his stuff, he knows why anecdotes aren't scientific evidence. He understands sample size and the importance of reproducible methodology. He also doesn't flip to another point as soon as a point gets shot down or refuted. Considering all of the above, he knows his stuff.
I am not the one who moved from doing some science to provide data on nullsec income to ":goonspiracy: your alliance is deliberatly telling you to do things suboptimally so nullsec gets a buff :goonspiracy:."
I agreed with the TNT guy because his reasoning is sound and he was willing to put far more effort into showing you how you were wrong as well as what your data actually showed. I told you how to get the data you need, the TNT guy told you why your anecdote was wrong and what you actually show. So now its on you to actually bring something back to us other that "lol, no my anecdote trumps any data." Until you do that none of us will take what you say seriously. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1441
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Posted - 2014.01.18 16:59:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: You missed the part about bounties and OE which are 100% probability.
Also randomness and predictability. If I set a random variable which pulls 10 numbers from 1 to 100 and another from 1 to 1,000 I can accurately predict that 5 will appear 10 times more often from the first variable than the second.
Since I ran 6 sites and obtained 6 high end mods I can conclude that the probability is high for high end drops.
Since I have repeated this and consistently obtained the same results this confirms my conclusion that mod drops are high. This is called science. Science is not about proving its about consistency in theory. Even a law is not required to be proven, it requires that it hasn't been disproven.
Your sample size is too small and very cherry picked hence why that is an anecdote and means literally nothing. If you had proof of running >100 sites and received >100 high end mods you have a point. Again I already told you how to get something that isn't an anecdote, if you want to prove your point you are more than capable especially since I've already given you a statistically relevant method. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
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